The vase pair that started the thread discussion is on offer at Ebay [here's the link, view it now before the auction ends] where the seller describes it as "Pair of Rare Qing Dynasty Cloisonne Vases ... The dimensions are 10.5 inches tall... The provenance is from an estate in Missouri, USA."
I really don't think I know enough to make an expert pronouncement on the dating of this vase pair, but I did note the existence of a bottle of nearly identical design, although not so well crafted, in a 2006 auction.
|Note the sloppy soldering job affixing the base disk to the bottle.|
The problem, of course, is how to sort out the cloisonne pieces made in the last 40 years - whether as out-and-out fakes, or as designs inspired by traditional patterns - from actual antiques. In the Asian Art Forums post, I noted the existence of knock-offs of works by contemporary Chinese cloisonne artists as well.
Zhang Lu, in interviews readable online [Chinese-illiterate readers, hit the Google Translate button], has stated that his Steel Vase and Butterfly Vase were produced during the Cultural Revolution, with dates of 1971 and 1968, respectively. Zhang Lu has expressed exasperation about the proliferation of pirate copies of his works. Knock-offs of these designs can be easily found at just about every online auction or sales venue, often attributed to late-Qing or early Republic (1890-1915).
|Zhang Lu's Butterfly Vase, inspired by a poem by Chairman Mao, dated 1968|
|Zhang Lu's Steel Vase, inspired by a visit to a steel foundry and the stream of fiery sparks from the giant pouring vessels, dated 1971|
|Zhang Lu's original, which can be viewed at his website.|
I would be interested to see other examples readers have encountered of recent cloisonne works closely imitating originals, either modern or historic.
UPDATE: A third version of this bottle design, obviously less carefully executed, turned up in an online auction. So what do you think? Where is the original and when was it made?
UPDATE: And here's Version #4, from Italy:
|An original and 3 copies? When was the original made? Where was it seen in order for copies to be produced?|